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		<title>Comment on The Government Meets the Jolly Green Giant by Insurance &#187; Prepared Patient® Forum: The Government Meets the Jolly Green &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insurance &#187; Prepared Patient® Forum: The Government Meets the Jolly Green &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What’s Engagement Now? Experts Discuss Emerging Challenges by dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while money is not an unnecessary incentive one wonders at what point clinicians will be willing to say that they cannot do the job that they are being paid for in the amount of time that they have and take a principled professional stand for change rather than taking cover in the demands of the system as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while money is not an unnecessary incentive one wonders at what point clinicians will be willing to say that they cannot do the job that they are being paid for in the amount of time that they have and take a principled professional stand for change rather than taking cover in the demands of the system as it is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on “Patient Engagement!” Our Skin is in the Game by &#8220;Patient Engagement!” Our Skin is in the Game &#124; The Doctor Weighs In</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Patient Engagement!” Our Skin is in the Game &#124; The Doctor Weighs In</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What’s Engagement Now? Experts Discuss Emerging Challenges by What is healthcare asking of caregivers? Too much! &#171; Minimally Disruptive Medicine</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is healthcare asking of caregivers? Too much! &#171; Minimally Disruptive Medicine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also discussed how blind usual care is to the role (and health) of caregivers.  In this excellent interview in the Prepared Patient forum blog, Gail Hunt, president of the National Alliance for Caregiving, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on “Patient Engagement!” Our Skin is in the Game by susan256</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan256</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Jessie. You hit the nail right on the head. Now if we can only get the health care system to be honest with us about costs. I&#039;ve asked what certain procedures or tests cost on a number of occasions and you would have thought I was speaking in a foreign language. Health care cost transparency is what the American health care system needs so that patients can make informed decisions. http://whatstherealcost.org/video.php?post=five-questions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Jessie. You hit the nail right on the head. Now if we can only get the health care system to be honest with us about costs. I&#8217;ve asked what certain procedures or tests cost on a number of occasions and you would have thought I was speaking in a foreign language. Health care cost transparency is what the American health care system needs so that patients can make informed decisions. <a href="http://whatstherealcost.org/video.php?post=five-questions" rel="nofollow">http://whatstherealcost.org/video.php?post=five-questions</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on “Patient Engagement!” Our Skin is in the Game by patientcommando.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.preparedpatientforum.org/blog/2012/02/patient-engagement-our-skin-is-in-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-12884</link>
		<dc:creator>patientcommando.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctors take years of training to become specialists and start practicing medicine. Have you ever wondered when they&#039;re going to stop practicing and do it for real?

I know its a corny old joke but the point is that patients don&#039;t get any time to practice. Once you&#039;re told you have a serious illness you get thrown into the game right away. You&#039;re left to fend for yourself against the 35,000 word vocabulary that doctors graduate with from med school. But you don&#039;t get an opportunity to go to med school for years to balance out the inequality.

I once compared compliance to slavery. Follow the rules - explicitly - rules you had no hand in shaping. And at times I have been &quot;compliant&quot;. At the same time, I&#039;ve been human and subject to the foibles and frailty of the human condition, compounded by the stresses of daily life the normal world throws at me as well as the additional stresses of daily life living with a chronic illness. Between the physical stresses and the emotional stresses complicated by medication side effects, relationship interactions, survival tactics, the yearning for normality and the plain desire to just get my life back, my behavioral patterns aren&#039;t necessarily totally predictable. 

So is it any wonder that I might act in ways that may be against my overall interest? I&#039;ve studied The Patient Activation Measure and applaud its value as a practitioner&#039;s tool. At least the doc has something that follows the protocol of their training. And that is very important as doctors often don&#039;t take anything seriously unless it does.

But after 30+ years of living with a chronic illness, the P.A.M. isn&#039;t a linear journey for a patient. Some days I&#039;m no more advanced than I was 28 years ago. Other days you&#039;ll find me at level 5 on the scale even though it only goes up to level 4. 

Many days I yearn for something simpler. I dream about the days of Marcus Welby and doctors who made home visits. I have this fantasy that medicine is no longer about science but it&#039;s about the core of my humanity. I long for the doctor who will see me for who I am, listen reflectively to my story - not my history - enter imaginatively into my narrative and poke around like Lewis Carroll and magically touch the source of my dis-ease.... 

Other days it&#039;s like the movie &quot;Groundhog Day&quot; with Bill Murray who wakes up every day and its the same day, replaying itself again and again. Just as the struggle with controlling my own behaviour is ongoing. For many patients, the concept of &quot;engagement&quot; takes on many meanings.  You&#039;ve touched upon a much needed discourse.

Zal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctors take years of training to become specialists and start practicing medicine. Have you ever wondered when they&#8217;re going to stop practicing and do it for real?</p>
<p>I know its a corny old joke but the point is that patients don&#8217;t get any time to practice. Once you&#8217;re told you have a serious illness you get thrown into the game right away. You&#8217;re left to fend for yourself against the 35,000 word vocabulary that doctors graduate with from med school. But you don&#8217;t get an opportunity to go to med school for years to balance out the inequality.</p>
<p>I once compared compliance to slavery. Follow the rules &#8211; explicitly &#8211; rules you had no hand in shaping. And at times I have been &#8220;compliant&#8221;. At the same time, I&#8217;ve been human and subject to the foibles and frailty of the human condition, compounded by the stresses of daily life the normal world throws at me as well as the additional stresses of daily life living with a chronic illness. Between the physical stresses and the emotional stresses complicated by medication side effects, relationship interactions, survival tactics, the yearning for normality and the plain desire to just get my life back, my behavioral patterns aren&#8217;t necessarily totally predictable. </p>
<p>So is it any wonder that I might act in ways that may be against my overall interest? I&#8217;ve studied The Patient Activation Measure and applaud its value as a practitioner&#8217;s tool. At least the doc has something that follows the protocol of their training. And that is very important as doctors often don&#8217;t take anything seriously unless it does.</p>
<p>But after 30+ years of living with a chronic illness, the P.A.M. isn&#8217;t a linear journey for a patient. Some days I&#8217;m no more advanced than I was 28 years ago. Other days you&#8217;ll find me at level 5 on the scale even though it only goes up to level 4. </p>
<p>Many days I yearn for something simpler. I dream about the days of Marcus Welby and doctors who made home visits. I have this fantasy that medicine is no longer about science but it&#8217;s about the core of my humanity. I long for the doctor who will see me for who I am, listen reflectively to my story &#8211; not my history &#8211; enter imaginatively into my narrative and poke around like Lewis Carroll and magically touch the source of my dis-ease&#8230;. </p>
<p>Other days it&#8217;s like the movie &#8220;Groundhog Day&#8221; with Bill Murray who wakes up every day and its the same day, replaying itself again and again. Just as the struggle with controlling my own behaviour is ongoing. For many patients, the concept of &#8220;engagement&#8221; takes on many meanings.  You&#8217;ve touched upon a much needed discourse.</p>
<p>Zal</p>
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		<title>Comment on “Patient Engagement!” Our Skin is in the Game by Celeste Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo for a courageous post.  

Dan Airely&#039;s work in behavioral economics is also at work here.  Predictably Irrational.  I too am an engaged patient, but at times even though I know what I should do... how I should behave... what should go into my mouth.. I do not always behave in my best interest.  Call it irrational, rational rebellion or just plain fatigue.   

The balance of my behavior is overwhelmingly compliant (in 30 years I have never missed a dialysis treatment) and because I have kidney failure I should not have any dairy or cola drinks.  I must admit sometimes I have a skinny cow (diet coke and vanilla ice cream) luxuriating in the cool creamy carbonation while feeling guilty because several researchers have proven that I have just raised by phosphorus level --- which is bad.    

The opportunity is getting patients engaged, the challenge is keeping them engaged-- the beauty is an engaged, educated patient who is self aware enough to know that today they are deviating from the plan &quot;in moderation&quot; diligently  getting back on the program tomorrow.  You must be know the rules of the game before you can break them.  

Celeste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo for a courageous post.  </p>
<p>Dan Airely&#8217;s work in behavioral economics is also at work here.  Predictably Irrational.  I too am an engaged patient, but at times even though I know what I should do&#8230; how I should behave&#8230; what should go into my mouth.. I do not always behave in my best interest.  Call it irrational, rational rebellion or just plain fatigue.   </p>
<p>The balance of my behavior is overwhelmingly compliant (in 30 years I have never missed a dialysis treatment) and because I have kidney failure I should not have any dairy or cola drinks.  I must admit sometimes I have a skinny cow (diet coke and vanilla ice cream) luxuriating in the cool creamy carbonation while feeling guilty because several researchers have proven that I have just raised by phosphorus level &#8212; which is bad.    </p>
<p>The opportunity is getting patients engaged, the challenge is keeping them engaged&#8211; the beauty is an engaged, educated patient who is self aware enough to know that today they are deviating from the plan &#8220;in moderation&#8221; diligently  getting back on the program tomorrow.  You must be know the rules of the game before you can break them.  </p>
<p>Celeste</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lessons from the Year of Living Sick-ishly by Understand How To Deal With Shoulder And Neck Pain &#124; The Back Pain Shoulder And Neck Pain Blog</title>
		<link>http://blog.preparedpatientforum.org/blog/2012/01/lessons-from-the-year-of-living-sick-ishly/comment-page-1/#comment-12881</link>
		<dc:creator>Understand How To Deal With Shoulder And Neck Pain &#124; The Back Pain Shoulder And Neck Pain Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What Are the Chances We Need to Understand Probability? by dirk</title>
		<link>http://blog.preparedpatientforum.org/blog/2012/01/what-are-the-chances-we-need-to-understand-probability/comment-page-1/#comment-12866</link>
		<dc:creator>dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very good except that we haven&#039;t really made a cultural/political shift to team approaches if that means a truly coordinated/mutual effort and so the work of trying to bring all of these modalities (and interests) together is largely left to the person with the least expertise, and the most stressors, the patient. We need to learn what we can but we also need new more communitarian models of care that recognize and fill in for our limitations and don&#039;t just paper them over as we have with the illusion of &quot;informed&quot; consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very good except that we haven&#8217;t really made a cultural/political shift to team approaches if that means a truly coordinated/mutual effort and so the work of trying to bring all of these modalities (and interests) together is largely left to the person with the least expertise, and the most stressors, the patient. We need to learn what we can but we also need new more communitarian models of care that recognize and fill in for our limitations and don&#8217;t just paper them over as we have with the illusion of &#8220;informed&#8221; consent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What’s Engagement Now? Experts Discuss Emerging Challenges by dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>susan, the problem is that in terms of providers largely only MDs (or their legal/functional equivalents) are empowered to answer medical questions and they are rarely made directly available for the usual managerial  reasons, so one often gets in these absurd back and forths with poor nurses who are stuck in the middle.
Engaged patients are enabled by quality information but there is no evidence that I know of that informing patients in an of itself makes for engaged patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>susan, the problem is that in terms of providers largely only MDs (or their legal/functional equivalents) are empowered to answer medical questions and they are rarely made directly available for the usual managerial  reasons, so one often gets in these absurd back and forths with poor nurses who are stuck in the middle.<br />
Engaged patients are enabled by quality information but there is no evidence that I know of that informing patients in an of itself makes for engaged patients.</p>
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